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# 22 Eman Askar - Going Viral, Content Creation, and What it Takes to Hone your Craft
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My guest for today is someone you most probably came across before. How?
From her viral video, her viral song to be specific that broke the Internet – the song of “The Story of Palestine” that got more than 11 million … yes with M … 11 million views till date on Instagram ALONE! Not to mention it was translated to many other languages including Arabic, Turkish, German and many others.
Today I spoke with her about her feelings when this happened, what is the recipe for creating viral content, and how this incident changed her mindset in so many ways.
In this episode from The Sara Shabana Show, we discussed:
- What is the recipe for creating viral content.
- Where one can find inspiration and how to cultivate creativity.
- Understanding and embracing self-love as a woman.
- How content creators can overcome fear of judgment and online bullying.
- The magic that happens when you focus on the journey and not the outcome.
- Connect with Eman Askar:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emmasworld.101/?hl=en
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Like at this point, I'm still in this chapter. So, like, it's gonna take me forever until I go to this chapter. But then somehow it took me 24 hours after that to jump 10 chapters later. And this is this is really it's it's it's inspiring for me as well because.
SPEAKER_04Welcome to the Sarah Shavana Show. We are all born unique in every way, yet we often forget there is more than one way. Hesitant we are believing in what's possible and never ask how we can make it more probable. So, this is a place to learn and explore. From the stories of those who have designed a life they adore, there is nothing set in stone if we stay curious and unlock the door. My name is Sarah and I'm the host of the Sarah Shabana Show. I'm here to provoke you to design your own life. Dig deeper into your curiosities and get inspired from those who created a life they love. This podcast is all about realizing the possibilities and learn real tactics and strategies on how you can design a life that brings you joy. Hello my beautiful friends! It's been so long. I know, I know. Thanks for each and every one of you who emailed me or sent me a DM on Instagram. But I am all well. So much was going on my side in the good way, and you will hear new updates very, very soon. But let me tell you, I am back with a new season of pure inspiration, solid tips, and epic stories from great guests who carved themselves a path of their own and were comfortable with the uncomfortable and the unfamiliar. I will also keep both solo episodes and the interviews since you really love this mix. So for today, we will start with a guest episode as a kickoff for this season. My guest for today is someone you most probably came across before. Wondering how? From her viral video. Her viral song to be specific that broke the internet. The song of the story of Palestine that got more than 11 million, yes, with an M. 11 million views till date on Instagram alone. Not to mention it was mentioned all over the international news and translated to so many other languages like Arabic, Turkish, German, and many, many others. Today I spoke with her about her feelings when this happened and what is really the recipe for creating a viral content and how this incident changed her mindset in so many ways. So let me welcome my guest for today, Iman Askar.
SPEAKER_01There once was a land called Palestine where Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived fine in the 1800s. It was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. Meanwhile, a beard Iman, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_04Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm very, very, very happy to have you today. And I'm sure you're going to make this a very uh vibrant episode with your energy. Well, I'll try. So let's start. I know that uh you have childlike spirits. So I would like to start with your childhood. How was it like growing up? Just for people to get to know more about you.
SPEAKER_02Well, uh, I had a normal childhood. I've always loved writing, I've always liked writing poems and songs, and I used to play guitar, but like very amateur style. Maybe that's the only you know interesting thing or special thing about my childhood is that I like every day after school or something, I would uh I would go and sing with my guitar and you know, uh imagine I'm on stage. And yeah, I I have like half of my childhood was in my imagination. I have too much of a big imagination. Tell us how this is the how the uh it's a sign for a creative mind. Well, yeah, thank you. Thank you. It's so so yeah. I used to like imagine and and write and draw and live in my imagination, but other than that, everything else was pretty normal, and it served you well at this age and with your career, obviously.
SPEAKER_04I think people knew you with the the video that went viral, which is the uh story of Palestine. So tell us more about this. How did it start? Did you expect this to happen? And how did this change everything for you?
SPEAKER_02So I've been creating content for for so long, for so long, like professionally for 11 years in different contexts. Uh, but on social media, having my own page where I create my own content and tell the stories I care about, it it had only been uh a year, maybe. Yeah, I started in August 2020, so it's not even a year yet, and it was less than a year. So, yeah, so I I I've been already creating content, telling stories, creating videos, making even songs. So when I created the story of Palestine, honestly, it was just another video. I did not expect it to be any different, I did not expect it at all to go viral. Uh, it was just me as a creator having this sense of uh responsibility of you know, using my platform and using my talents to to tell this story and and you know to support this cause that I care about so much. So yeah, I definitely did not expect this to turn out this way.
SPEAKER_04So for you, you have never you didn't expect this to happen. But when people reached out to you, did they tell you why this was special?
SPEAKER_02Um, I think it's because of the simplicity of it, which is which which is amazing, which is a lesson for me as well, because I did not intend for it to be that way, but it shows how much um the best way to tell, you know, to to deliver any message really is through simplicity and art, of course, because and a story. I mean, at the end of the day, people um like I I I like to call this edutainment. People like to be entertained, so even if you're going to educate them about a topic, they don't like to feel like they're you know you're preaching or you know, that you're that you're uh superior or you know something that you they are ignorant about. So putting it in a context that's creative and it's a story and it's fun and so simple. I think that's the formula, which is very hard, by the way. Absolutely. I'm not saying it's very hard as an I'm a super genius expert. It I'm not sure if I can make another story of Palestine again. It it was really pure coincidence, like I'm telling you. But it's super, super hard to get this formula together and it's super super effective. So I think that's this combination is what made it viral.
SPEAKER_04So let's go a little bit behind the scenes. So I think now we know you have created the video just like any other video you have done. But tell us what happened once you put it out there in the world. Once I put it after I hit this publish button, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's like, you know, like any other video, I post it, I wait for a few minutes, and you know, my expectation would be like, you know what, this one's gonna get like um 1,000 likes. And uh, and that's amazing. Like, you know what? That's it. This one is amazing, it's gonna get 1,000 likes, and and that's it. But then, but then, but then yeah, my my literally for for two weeks after that, my phone never rested. It was only notifications, you know, just like that, you know, blinking all the time, all the time. And and I had I had 3,000 followers on that day, 3,300 to be accurate. And then I went to bed that night, and my husband woke me up because I hit 10,000 followers, and then I woke up with like 30, and then the whole day, by the end of the next day, I was already like 70 or 80,000. Like it was crazy. It was it was really, really crazy.
SPEAKER_04I can imagine. I know you had a moment in your life where you discover that you lack self-love and you had like signs of imposter syndrome. Can you tell us more about this journey and how did you discover it?
SPEAKER_02I know you know that because of my video about it.
SPEAKER_03It was very difficult to find.
SPEAKER_02Well, you see, um, first of all, I'll take this as an opportunity to say that like I I consider my platform as a way to channel out my my thoughts and my my feelings. And since I'm on a journey, just like anybody else is on a journey, I like to share what I learn through my journey with others so that people would relate to that and they would understand that hey, this is normal. We all go through this and you know, we help each other out. This is this is what I really, really hope uh to get out of with you know from my platform. So making this video, yes, I was getting a little bit personal in my own weaknesses and time where where I was not, you know, feeling the best of like getting the best of confidence I could have. And I think um this is also like an ongoing topic I will always be talking about. It's not a one-time thing, it's a journey, absolutely. Because, yes, because self-love, it's not like a thing happened in my life. Like I'm not traumatized or I did not have this uh you know problem, big problem in my life that caused me to lack self-love. But it's something that it's ongoing, and you feel it sometimes, you don't feel it. Sometimes you feel like, you know what, I'm I'm fine sometimes. Uh like I mentioned in my video, you would just feel like, you know what, I don't think that you know they should trust me for this. I think that I'm not as good as they think, you know, I am. Imposter syndrome feeling. Imposter syndrome feeling. Yes, and and it still happens, by the way, it goes and it comes and it's a journey. But the moment you realize that this problem, this feeling, it has a name, and this is actually not um not true. This is the moment where at least you become conscious about it, and you're not the only one, as well.
SPEAKER_04It's like if everyone has this feeling, nothing wrong with me, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Yes, nothing's wrong with me. It's not like I'm 100% sure that most people experience lack of self-love one at one point in their life, in some way, because in research it says that around 70% of people would experience imposter syndrome at a point of their time. Yes, exactly, and they don't even show it in the same way. Somebody could be like super confident and they would act, you know, like anything like that seems that per this person is very confident, but at some point in making a decision in their life, they're not, you know, they're not making it because uh they really want it, they're making it because it it's it's pleasing someone else, for example, and they feel like they don't deserve to have this priority, you know. It happens in this small situation, absolutely, you know.
SPEAKER_04And for you as an Arab mom, was the was the concept of self-love is something that you would acquire? Because I I can understand how difficult this might be.
SPEAKER_02I don't understand the question.
SPEAKER_04So I mean the self-love for an Arab woman, considering that you're always been told that uh in a sense that you're you're I don't want to say nobody, but it's like it's you're in service.
SPEAKER_02You know what? Yes, I mean it's so true, and it's one of those concepts that needs and they are changing already, but they need to be addressed and changed in our societies because there's always this view of the perfect wife that you know gives her entire time only for her family, for her children. She's you know sacrificing everything, sacrificing her, you know, and and this is not actually right, and this is not the way it should be, and it's not helping anybody out, by the way. It's not good for anybody. So in my family, it's like I'm not experiencing this. I mean, in my family, I come from a family that that respects my my you know my my passions and everything. And even in my family, me being a mom, I did not experience this. You know what, you have to give up your dreams, and and you know, just no, I did not experience this, but I can see it around me, and and definitely from from the media and from the movies and uh series, drama series, you see, it it's like it was a little bit inside of me that you know what I shouldn't do that, I should have done that, but but yeah, but I'm overcoming it and I have no problem uh because I'm like I'm lucky to to be in a family that supports me. But yes, it definitely was a thing that was in my mindset at at some point, also as well. Um, so so yeah.
SPEAKER_04And considering that working in the creative industry and being a content creator, it means literally putting your work out there for people to judge. And this is very difficult. So, how do you really handle uh or survive people's judgment uh when you still want to express yourself and be creative?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, um, to be honest, uh I when I decided I'm going online, I did have this in mind, like I expected this to happen, but the difference between the judgment and the kind of hate comments or even just like you know, uncomfortable comments that I used to get. Uh, and the bullying, yes, I used to get when I had 3,000 followers, is totally different from what I'm having right now. So it's a totally new level of me getting bullied, and it's a totally new level of me feeling judged. So there was an overwhelming moment, of course. And I'm I still go through it a little bit, um, because literally, but this is what I learned now that literally anything I post, there's always gonna be someone who's gonna be, you know, judging or being, you know, just ridiculous and just saying anything to annoy me or judge me or whatever. And it's it's insane. It's insane because the comments, they're like they're acting as if this person doesn't exist. Like, why is she doing this? You know, whatever they're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. As if I'm not a person, like as if I'm not gonna be reading this or I don't exist, like I'm a cartoon character that's not real. So there's they they don't really um like uh sympathize with a person that's that's uh online or public or famous for any uh like at in any context, but they just do it. But I got used to it by now. I was overwhelmed, but now I got used to it. I decided, yes, those people exist, they're gonna always exist, and I shouldn't care. I should just go on with what I'm doing and and keep creating, keep creating as long as I am following my dreams, my goals, my values, because this is you know, this is what tells me if if I'm doing the right thing or not. If I'm still, you know, adding value through my work, then I have to do it and I don't care. I don't care. People are gonna hate it, love it.
SPEAKER_04And since you mentioned that you are going to keep creating, and since creativity is literally your job, how can one cultivate creativity? Where can one find inspiration?
SPEAKER_02Well, it depends on what like what industry or what uh kind of art they are um they are interested in, but whatever it is, you need to keep observing and watching. And there's this phase in your life where you need to be receiving, receiving a lot of inputs. So it's whether by studying or by reading about this kind of art or about this, you know, creative um work you're you're you want to be good at and and receive, watch a lot of inspirations, but then there has to be a phase, and it's very, very important, where you completely stop receiving and only start creating. Because if you only receive, you will somehow, even without meaning to, you might imitate someone, you might find um um a good idea, and it just keeps you know being in your head, and you you can't get out of the box and do something else. Um, so you need to make make sure you have the time. I believe that every creative person has to have some time of solitude where they're away from all the noise, all the other inputs, all the other inspirations that have already halased, they did their job, and now it's time for you to create. Whether it's writing, whether it's making music, whether it's drawing, whatever, just block the noise at some point and make sure you have this space every now and then. It's I believe it's very, very important to find originality, to find yourself, your voice. Um, and another tip is if you want to be creative, create create, keep creating. It's gonna be the first thing you're gonna create is gonna be bad, but then the next one's gonna be better, and then the other one's gonna be a little better, and then and so on. Don't wait until you're ready. It's really it's a it's a tip for anyone who wants to do anything, really, but also when it comes to creativity, because creative people or people who want, you know, they they have this like uh a goal or a standard that they want to meet in creativity, they might put limitations to themselves. I'm not as good as this person, I'm not good as this creative person, I'm not, you know, I I created it, but I don't I don't feel it's creative enough.
SPEAKER_04If you keep judging your own self and limiting, and you are comparing your chapter one to someone else chapter 10.
SPEAKER_02So it's exactly compared to yourself, exactly. And you will not go anywhere. You have to start at this step so that you can become better and then go to this other uh advanced chapter that you're comparing yourself to, like you said. I like, I like uh I like the way you you said it. So so this is also a very, very, very uh important tip.
SPEAKER_04Super valuable. Imagine jumped into uh freelancing. Was this a difficult decision?
SPEAKER_02Um it wasn't very difficult at the at the time I did it because uh it was already 2020, I was already in quarantine. My job was already changing, like the way I'm doing work was already uh I'm at home and I'm with the kids, and then this lifestyle already started last year where where everything, you know, the day doesn't have a normal routine. And um, and I've already been taking freelance along with my um like full-time job. It was a part-time job, actually. I I never took a full-time job after I got my second child. And I and I like that also because it gave me always this time to um to find this voice, like I'm telling you about, even if I didn't have this plan yet of of creating my own own stuff on my own platform, but I always liked to have this own space where I write and and you know just reflect. So it wasn't hard, it wasn't hard at all, but yeah, it was either now or never, or or if if not now, then when, if not me, then who, you know, these kind of to do like, you know what, just do it. And it was already like the world was full of anxiety, and I started my platform just literally to get this creative energy out, and I I I didn't care, it was horrible. I when I got a lot of followers suddenly, I went back and I honestly deleted a lot of my old videos. But if it if it was yes, it was that bad. I know, but it was that bad, but it was only because of this horrible production I made at the beginning is is I got better, and I am where I am today, and I'm hoping to even get better and better. So, yes, it was definitely um a risky step to take, but it was worth it. And yeah, for me it was 2020, so everything didn't make sense anyway. So the clips jump and then I will come. Yes, and I I am still figuring it out, by the way. And that's the beauty of it. Um, um, as long as I am a hardworking person, I'm not just you know sitting on my couch and waiting for opportunities. No, I I keep trying. Yes, I keep trying, I'm utilizing my talents, um, working really, really hard. And then at first, yes, there was, and it's going to be also definitely uh um a cycle of times where I get disappointed, I feel like, oh my god, where am I going? And then somehow it goes up again, and I find opportunities, I find see my vision so clearly, and everything is good again. And I think it's a cycle that happens to anyone uh who's having their own business, for example, or like an entrepreneur, anybody who's who's decided to follow their dream and they took this kind of a solo, you know, uh trip on their own. We will all go through this ups and downs, but the key is to keep going, never go back. That's that's what I believe.
SPEAKER_04I love it. And how important was it to build a personal brand? Like now I know that you wanted or you had the intention of starting to create content and build a brand for yourself. Now that uh things worked out for you, how did this platform is now helping you do more of the things you love or give you opportunities, or how did it open new doors for you?
SPEAKER_02So, at first, like uh I just mentioned it was just for me to create, you know, let my energy out. And I did not have a branding. I was, I've always been told you need to know what you're doing, where you're going, why you're doing this. And I did not have any answer for that, except that I just want to do it. I just want to get better at it. It's worth exploring. But then by time, I learned uh a content creator, you know, it's like a company. So I had to learn editing and I improved my editing. I had to learn directing and lighting, and I had to improve my script writing for social media, and I have to, and I and I love acting, but I had to really, you know, um, do I look silly doing that in front of the camera. I had to make sure I'm doing the right thing in front of the camera and improve it. So it there was this time where I am learning and I am getting feedback and I am giving myself feedback. And but I posted anyway. I really just kept going and I posted. And every week I was I had this goal. I'm gonna make a video every single week, no matter how good, no matter how bad. I don't care. I'm just gonna do it. At this point, I was not that confident at this point that that I can like people would hear me say anything. Like, who am I? I'm not an expert, but I was comfortable acting stupid in front of the camera. So I was literally just going making sketches, you know, acting like a man and a wife, and then uh just making funny sketches, making fun of relationship stuff or parenting stuff. It was a little bit of value, but it was too small to see. That was at the beginning, and then at some point I was comfortable with the editing and the technical stuff, and I decided, you know what? If I'm comfortable putting a wig and drawing a mustache on my face and acting in front of uh like the whole world, and everybody has access to see me that way, then it's not going to hurt to go out and say uh something that's actually meaningful, and whether they like people, you know, uh believe I'm someone worth listening to or not. I mean, I've done the hardest part. I drew a mustache on my face, so so it's not gonna be worse. So, one by one, I started to you know upgrade my content. Now I'm not just doing sketches, I'm actually writing a script. I actually have a story to tell.
SPEAKER_04I actually want to teach people about, you know, uh the five love languages, or I want to tell them about the story of Malcolm X or the you know the things you have learned and you think it will be valuable for other people to know, and then you're simplifying it for them with your, of course, creative and uh let's say edutainment way of saying things. No, it's honestly it's very inspiring to hear this story for anyone who really wants to start and they have fears, they don't know where to start, they have fears of judgment, uh, they have self-doubt that they don't know, as if they they believe they will always stay at this phase. But I think what you're sharing today is like just to start, improving the process, and things will work out at the end.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it does pay off. And you know what? I mean, one might think that story of Palestine is just one song that got me 100,000 followers, or just one point that made me suddenly successful on social media, uh, relatively. But I 100% believe it wasn't the story of Palestine, it was the month of work and development before that. But because I've been uh I've had, of course, those doubts and I've had those ups and downs, like I told you. And right before the story of Palestine, I was having those one of down moments where you know I'm just gonna go get a normal job. I just I won't be doing this forever. And even if I grow, like at this point, I'm still in this chapter. So, like it's gonna take me forever until I go to this chapter. But then somehow it took me 24 hours after that to jump 10 chapters later. And this is this is really it's it's it's inspiring for me as well, because because I'm still at a point where okay, then what's now? What now? What's next? This fear of uncertainty we were just talking about, it's not there anymore as it used to be, because I trust the process. I trust that you know what, I'm working hard, I'm like everything is is where it's supposed to be right now. Don't worry about later as long as you are working in the now. And then later will surprise me, or it will surprise you, it will surprise anyone who's working really, really hard, even if it's not exactly the same goal you wanted, but it's gonna open up a door, like you were saying, a door that you did not even know it existed. And it it's exactly the case for me. My my plan, I had I had a book where I'm, you know, my resolutions and everything I need to have this year. I've had other goals, and my goal for my number of followers, for example, on Instagram was to have 12,000 followers by the end of 2021.
SPEAKER_03You are you are done, you are done for the next five years. Done, done, done, done.
SPEAKER_02Yes, other goals are are are not even close, and I changed my mind about them because now that I have more followers here, other opportunities open up here, and now I I have you know I have more vision in in this direction. So that's what I'm saying. Just trust the process. I love it.
SPEAKER_04Thank you for sharing this. It's very interesting since now you are talking about your goals. Um now where you are in life, considering you have also you are you have accomplished in your family life or personal life, and now with your career, what true success means to you?
SPEAKER_02True success. That's that's a that's a very simple yet deep and complicated question at the same time.
SPEAKER_04You know what? This is my very uh unique question in this podcast because what happened is I started to ask myself this question, and then I was like, you know what? Let me outsource the answers. So let me see what other people think of it.
SPEAKER_02That's that's nice. That that must be so insightful. Well, I think true success is to feel fulfilled, and uh the way that you can feel fulfilled could be different than the way I can be fulfilled. So it's not a one uh answer for everybody, it's it's not it's not like that. But I just feel like for me, I would feel that I utilized all my potentials, I utilized my talents, I did not hold back anything that I could have given this world at every given time. So if today this is the best I am doing, then I should feel successful, even if if there are still goals to to achieve, even if there are still dreams, you know, to accomplish. But at any given point, if if I ask my question or if someone asks themselves this question, am I giving all my best? If I'm giving my best, then I'm succeeding in you know, in living, in you know, in becoming in becoming closer to achieving the purpose of my existence.
SPEAKER_04If that's very profound, Iman. I love it. You took the deepest to the next level. You have two beautiful kids. What life advice would you give them that was not given to you?
SPEAKER_02Oh, hmm. I would say, um, yeah, you know what? This whole comparison thing, as in looking at other people's uh journeys and and the chapter where they are and where I am today, I think this is a very, very critical advice because it kind of held me back a lot, like for a lot of time, uh, in many years, where I would look at some people's successes and I feel bad that I have not achieved anything, even though I have achieved a lot of things, it's not it's just not the things that they've achieved, and it's not, and what they have achieved was was never a thing that I even wanted, you know. You know, this kind of struggle. I totally hear you. So this thing is so toxic. This feeling, this comparison is so toxic, and it's so it's such a waste of time and energy. And if I would just focus on my journey and what I really, really want, and what and what really makes me happy and you know suits my values and and fits my personality and everything, and then just let go of anything else that that comes, you know, from outside, I think life would be much simpler and people would would achieve their dreams even faster and become happier, of course. So I would I would tell them that. I would tell them, you know what, always make sure you know who you are, where you are, where you want to be, and work towards that. Nothing else matters, no one else matters. That's it.
SPEAKER_04I'm glad we have moms like you. Thank you. What books that transformed you or you gifted the most?
SPEAKER_02Um books that transformed me. Honestly, I can't think of one one one one book. Uh you can go up to three. So if you have like no, no, no, it's not like that. It's that I don't think that there's one book that actually changed me so much from the big books. It's only one book, actually, that always like I remember so much, and it's a very short and simple book, by the way. Who moved my cheese? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, yes, yes, such uh, you know, all the other books they're amazing, and I learn and everything, but this one is the one I never forgot because it's simple, it's again, yes, it's very simple, it's so simple, it was so fast to read, and yet it was such an awesome lesson uh to learn and and a mindset, a mindset that really can change lives. So, Who Moved My Cheese is really a recommended book. Love it.
SPEAKER_04Do you have a favorite quote or a saying that uh you deeply believe in or live by?
SPEAKER_02Um, I used to have uh I used to have it hanged up in my old room when I was a child. So I think also this one I remember the most and I like it the most. It's um I don't know who's who's the author, or like he's an anonymous, but the it goes like this. It's all what I have seen teaches me to trust the creator for all I haven't seen. Oh, I love it. And every day reassures me that this is so true. Very, very nice.
SPEAKER_04So now that we are reaching the end, where can people find Iman and how can they connect with you online?
SPEAKER_02Uh, I'm on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, mostly on Instagram. Mostly I'm active mostly on Instagram. What's your Instagram handle? We are going to um add all this in the show notes as well. Okay, perfect. It's uh emma'sworld.101 and it's the same for all of the other platforms.
SPEAKER_04Thank you so much, Iman, for accommodating this. So I'm very, very grateful that uh you took the time. Thank you so much. It's it was a pleasure.
SPEAKER_02It was my pleasure. Thank you.
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